17 October 2008 @ 04:00 pm
An entry that's not about me or my petty little life!  
OK! Spawned by [info]vovat's post on a track-by-track review of Lincoln, I put Lincoln on for the first time through in a while[1], and one thing that kind of hit me[2], and this is something that seems to come to mind whenever I listen to the album but then goes away almost immediately is that while I wouldn't CUT any songs, it seems that the order isn't quite optimal; in that, well, it's really hard for ANYTHING to follow "They'll Need A Crane"; if it weren't for "Kiss Me, Son Of God", it'd probably be the best track for album closer, really.

But then again, the middle seems to kind of drag a little bit, too, but, again, in a way that's not because of any bad SONGS, just a little bit of meandering momentum. I wonder. Hm. What if they'd gone the Dual EP route? So, like two stand-alone releases that happened to come together in one package. Hm. I don't know! Strange. Sort of like Duck Stab/Buster & Glen, except that was, IIRC, only released that way on the European CD issue, rather than on any vinyl, since I think all LP issues of DS/B&G shuffled around the original Duck Stab order. Huh.

I'm trying to figure out what the EPs would be, like, track-order wise, but it's really hard; like, the first chunk of tracks seem to flow pretty much perfectly, but then the order seems to fall apart a little bit. Hm. I'd have to think. But, then again, TMBG have never been GREAT at track-order. They've never really put together an Album per se, as so much a collection of songs that happen to be on a flat piece of plastic.

Looking at the tracks:


EP 1:
Ana Ng (3:23)
Cowtown (2:20)
Lie Still, Little Bottle (2:06)
Purple Toupee (2:40)
Cage And Aquarium (1:10)
Where Your Eyes Don't Go (3:06)
Santa's Beard
You'll Miss Me (1:53)
I've Got A Match (2:36)

EP 2:
The World's Address (2:24)
Piece Of Dirt (2:00)
Mr. Me (1:52)
Shoehorn With Teeth (1:13)
Pencil Rain (2:42)
Stand On Your Own Head (1:16)
Snowball In Hell (2:31)
They'll Need A Crane (2:33)
Kiss Me, Son Of God (1:52)



That's sort of a rough first-draft; I didn't listen to check segues or anything; in fact, right now, I'm listening to Son Of Schmilsson, which I ALSO just had the urge to listen to at about the same time as Lincoln. So there you go. The thing I Did notice with Lincoln is that they were pretty good at getting CHUNKS of songs that flowed, it was just a matter of getting the chunks to flow. Even looking at this, it looks like the First EP is the stronger one, but still. Hm. There must be something that'd work.

Still, though; I wonder why it is about TMBG's lack of Albums-As-Albums; I mean, most B-side collections tend to stand out as being cobbled together; aside from the, perhaps slightly higher incidence of "weirder" cuts than most early TMBG albums, Miscellaneous T doesn't really stand out as being a fake/not-real/compilation-type album.

Flood reasonably hangs together, kinda, and John Henry probably does the most -- but a lot of the recent stuff, like Mink Car especially, is almost like they just said "Eh, people are just gonna dump this on their computer and listen to it on shuffle with everything else ANYWAY so there you go". The Spine and The Else are slightly better in this respect, but not really? I still like that version of The Spine I made with the corresponding EPs, which I thought really flowed a lot more than the real album did. So there you go. I hereby state that I know better than John and John themselves about what to do with their music.



[1] It's one of my favorite TMBG albums, though I burned myself out on it a bit growing up, as basically there was a time in high school when as soon as I got home from school, I'd put it on my walkman and listen to it EVERY SINGLE DAY. And basically force myself to only listen to it once a day, not any more; however, now, my favorite album is probably John Henry, with Apollo 18 as a close runner up, maybe tied with Lincoln.

[2] This is kinda cannibalized from a comment on said post.
 
 
Current Music: They Might Be Giants - Lincoln
 
 
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(not) SCOTT BAKULA: everybody wants a rock[info]dr_ninjapants on October 18th, 2008 07:31 am (UTC)
my first real exposure to TMBG was a random collection someone threw together and I think it makes a kick ass mix. I don't have access to the exact order but I'll try to recall...

It definitely opened with Absolutely Bills Mood. And I think it followed pretty much like this: Birdhouse in Your Soul (live), Dinner Bell, Don't Lets Start, 32 Footsteps, For Science, Doctor Worm, Hey Mr DJ, My Evil Twin, Shoehorn With Teeth and it ended with Boss of Me (live) and it had probably two other songs as well (definitely How Can I Sing Like A Girl).

It was a good intro and I think it starts and ends well and is a pretty good mini view of the band. My first whole albums were Apollo 18 and Mink Car which I listened to obsessively for a while. I eventually got pretty much all their other albums and now I'd say Apollo 18, John Henry and Flood are probably my favorites but I really like everything. And I tend to listen to all their songs shuffled together now usually.
Rev. Syung Myung Me[info]revme on October 18th, 2008 04:14 pm (UTC)
ABM is actually a really good opener, I bet. I've always liked that one a lot, particularly the Eugene Chadbourne Phoned-In Guitar (which I still think is cool that that's an acoustic). If I ever do another TMBG-intro mix, I might have to steal that idea. (I did do a mix a while ago, and it looks like I DID whittle it down to one disc!:

(She Was A) Hotel Detective (Single Mix)
Certain People I Could Name
Memo To Human Resources
Bangs
She's an Angel
She's Actual Size
Broke In Two
They'll Need A Crane
Out Of Jail
Spiralling Shape
Twisting
Am I Awake?
Sleeping In The Flowers
The Statue Got Me High
Lie Still, Little Bottle
The End Of The Tour
It's Kickin' In
Don't Let's Start (Single Mix)
Pet Name
Man, It's So Loud In Here
Narrow Your Eyes
Birdhouse In Your Soul (Live on the Tonight Show from Gigantic)
I Am 40: Memories Of West St. And Lepke
Museum Of Idiots
Drink!
Destination Moon
She Was A Hotel Detective

You can probably tell that this was after Spine but before Else.)

And yeah -- I guess, too, nowadays, the album-cohesion aspect isn't really that essential anymore. But still, would it kill 'em to stick to one producer for a record anymore? Like, the Else stuff with the Dust Brothers was pretty rad, and a lot of the other, non-Dust Brothers stuff still had a similar feel, but STILL, it would have been awesome had they done the ENTIRE record with them, y'know?



Rufus Honker IV[info]rufushonkeriv on October 18th, 2008 11:19 am (UTC)
Funny you should mention this - I've been in a distinctly TMBG mood recently. "Out of Jail" from John Henry got stuck in my head last week and it snowballed.

What's funny is that though The Spine never really ranked high with me, I've been listening to "Broke in Two" a lot and I've come to the point that I think that:

Then / Is when I maybe should have wrote it down / But when I looked around to find a pen / And then I tried to think of what you said...

Is one of my favorite bits of poetry in TMBG now.
Rev. Syung Myung Me[info]revme on October 18th, 2008 04:07 pm (UTC)
I really like "Broke In Two" a lot, too -- that was a good cut. I think that was the thing with Spine is that a lot of the songs on there are good (except "The World Before Later On", sorry Flans), but... I don't know, they just don't seem to hang together or something. And "Experimental Film" took a while to grow on me, just because it really almost seemed like "OK, let's sit down and write a song that They Might Be Giants would write" and, man, they shouldn't have to do that?
Andrew[info]neonelephant on October 18th, 2008 11:44 pm (UTC)
If [i]Lincoln[/i] had been released that way, I'm not sure I would've ever picked up EP2. Almost every track falls into the category of "this is rarely worth skipping, but also I'm only rarely going to say 'oh, you know, I want to listen to X today'".

Flood hangs together, IIRC, because the tracks alternate great-poor-great-poor ;-) (I like a higher proportion of tracks on the album than that might indicate, but it's a good first approximation).

John Henry is still probably my favorite album, although having listened to it again more recently I can understand the complaints, since it's a markedly different style from their earlier stuff. I still can't stand "O Do Not Forsake Me", though :-)

As an album, I think I have to point to Apollo 18, even in spite of the tracking being arranged "to complement the Shuffle Mode of modern CD players".

Bear in mind that I've heard very little of their stuff post-Factory Showroom.

The album-as-album comment brings up a train of thought, though. I never used to understand one of my friends' comment that although no track on Sgt. Pepper was particularly outstanding, the album as a whole was really good. Recently I've realized that the same thing is, to an extent, true for me with Wide Angle, by Hybrid. It is true that "If I Survive" and "Finished Symphony" stand out on their own, but about half of the tracks I'm really fairly meh about. And yet as an album it flows really well.
Rev. Syung Myung Me[info]revme on October 19th, 2008 12:21 am (UTC)
Looking at it, EP 2 does (aside from "Crane") DOES seem a bit lackluster. Sort of the also-ran cuts. But that was just sort of a quick 'n' dirty version. But oh well!

I can see that with Flood too, though -- there aren't really any blah stretches (except that run where Someone Keeps Moving My Chair/Hearing Aid are, even though I LIKE both of those songs, they seem just sort of "OK, this is the middle of the album, this is between the tent-pegs"); but yeah -- it really DOES help if you can stagger your best songs. A lot of TMBG's stuff, overall does seem to be rather frontloaded, though (except for maybe John Henry, where it's kinda backloaded what with "Out Of Jail" and "End of the Tour" and all, but those songs are some of my all-time favorites).

I don't MIND O Do Not, but if I were gonna cut a track, that'd probably be it. (At least it's not the DAS Flans Demo Version -- did I ever play that for you? It's sort of him banging it out on an acoustic and kind of doing this weird caterwauling of the lyrics. It makes the album version sound AWESOME.)

And, yeah -- that's probably one of the most perverse things with A18 is that, really, it WAS probably most designed for vinyl. (Or cassette, I guess, but, man, tapes...)

FS is by far their worst album, though. I'd say that Mink Car is DEFINITELY worth picking up, and probably The Else too. The Spine, I don't know; it's not bad, but it's one of those albums that's sorta like "Oh, huh. You guys were kinda busy with the kids records, huh?" There ARE some great/classic-type songs on it though, and no real clunkers (save one, "The World Before Later On"), just that most of the highs aren't as high as some of their previous successes.

I disagree with Sgt. Pepper as the particular example, but I can know what that means. I've got some albums like that, where they really DO work well as a package, but not really in shuffles or whatnot. Or, alternately, there's always Germfree Adolescents by X-Ray Spex, where pretty much all of the songs are great, but the reissues of the album that shuffle the tracks around REALLY suffer... but if you listen to the album in the REAL order, it's basically transcendent/perfect. It's kind of amazing that individually the songs are good, and in the original order OUTSTANDING, but in the wrong order, sorta eh.
Andrew[info]neonelephant on October 19th, 2008 04:03 am (UTC)
I was going to hop in here and note that EP2 did at least have "You'll Miss Me", but I see you put that on EP1 as well :-)

You can claim John Henry is backloaded if you want, and I suppose I agree with you if only because the three tracks that I traditionally skip are on the front half of the album ("Unrelated Thing", "Extra Savoir-Faire", "O Do Not Forsake Me"). But it's also got "Sleeping in the Flowers" (apropos of nothing, I wonder if you could mash that up with "Imaginary" by Evanescence), "Subliminal", and "AKA Driver"....
Rev. Syung Myung Me[info]revme on October 19th, 2008 04:43 am (UTC)
Hahaha, I did that just because I thought I was the only one who liked that song! So yes!

And, yeah -- John Henry is pretty solid all the way through -- though those are my skippin' songs, too (except for O Do Not, but it's not one I skip TO either...)
Andrew[info]neonelephant on October 18th, 2008 11:46 pm (UTC)
As another aside, I believe it was only as recently as five or six years ago that the sheer genius of the name "Miscellaneous T" struck me :-) I don't recall whether or not I was in a record store at the time :-)
Rev. Syung Myung Me[info]revme on October 19th, 2008 12:10 am (UTC)
Hahah, yes. I like that one. It's a good title, and kind of amusing back when they didn't have eighty billion records out, too, heh.